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MarkupDeclaration list – Open Forum in support of the Markup Declaration community

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MarkupDeclaration list hosts discussion in support of the MarkupDeclaration community. MarkupDeclaration list is open to everyone: users and developers, experts and novices alike. There is no restriction to what may be posted on MarkupDeclaration provided it is directly related to Declarative Markup, Generic Markup, or the community supporting increased visibility and use of declarative or generic markup. We ask that commercial announcements on MarkupDeclaration be directly related to markup, short, and that their subject lines start with [ANN].

Only subscribers can post to MarkupDeclaration list, but since the goal is to increase the level of knowledge about declarative or generic markup, MarkupDeclaration list is being archived for everybody to view. The topics discussed on MarkupDeclaration list change as new ideas arise or existing problems are dealt with, but the archive contains all of the ideas and solutions that have been discussed on the list.

MarkupDeclaration list is provided by Mulberry Technologies, Inc., as a service to the Markup Declaration community.

Subscribing and Unsubscribing

  • To subscribe to MarkupDeclaration list, fill out the form at
  • To unsubscribe from the list, use the same form at or click on the “EasyUnsubscribe” link at the bottom of any message you receive from the list.
  • Daily digests – copies of a whole days MarkupDeclaration list messages sent as one email message – are available. Not only is it a single email message containing all of that day’s MarkupDeclaration list messages, it is also half the size, on average, of the individual messages since it doesn’t include the overhead of the mail headers from each message.
    To subscribe to the digest, use the form at, fill out the forms that are presented, respond to the emailed confirmation message, and after your subscription is successful, select “My Settings” and click the box beside “Daily Digests”.

Posting Guidelines

Only subscribers can post to MarkupDeclaration list, and only from the exact address they used when they subscribed.

There is no restriction on what may be posted to MarkupDeclaration list provided it is related to declarative or generic markup and it is respectful of the community process and to members of the community.

Do not begin your subject line with “help” or “subscribe” since the list software will bounce the message because it looks like it is an administrative request. Similarly, expect messages to be delayed if they have subject lines that contain these or similar words that are often used in administrative requests (“remove”, “unsubscribe”, “delete”). They will be sent to the list owner/moderator, who will approve them for posting, a process that takes time.

It is best to start a new message for a new thread. Do not start a new thread by replying to an unrelated message and just changing the subject line, since the header of your message will contain references to the previous message and your new message will appear in the archive as one of the replies to the original message.

Good subject lines – those that describe the subject matter of your message – not only increase the chances that you will receive answers to questions or responses to comments, but also make your message and any replies to it accessible in the list archive.

Subscribers to the digest should reply to messages by:

  • creating a new email message
  • addressing the message to: <>
  • copying the subject line of the message or thread to which you are responding into your subject line
  • copying only the text to which you are responding into your message

Both subscribers to the full list and subscribers to the list digest should post their messages to; the messages will be received by both subscribers to the list and subscribers to the digest.

In Your Posting ...

If you are replying to a post, trim the quoted message to just the parts to which you are replying.

When posting to MarkupDeclaration list, do not use uninformative subject lines like “Urgent”, “Question”, or “Newbie HELP!!!”, which don’t say anything about your topic. Instead, use a meaningful subject line that summarizes the topic under discussion.

Informative subject lines make the List archive more useful since people with the same problem will more easily find the relevant threads.

Do Not Cross-Post

Cross-posting to MarkupDeclaration list and to another list, even XML-Dev or the XSL-List, is generally counter-productive. No list’s archive will contain the complete thread; cross-posts from non-subscribers continuing the thread will bounce; and MarkupDeclaration list subscribers who are not also on the other list will only see part of the thread. Subscribers to both lists may see two copies of the message, annoying them as well.

Replies Go to the List

The reply address of MarkupDeclaration list messages (and of digests) is so REPLIES GO TO THE LIST BY DEFAULT. If you want to reply to just the author of a post, you should change the “To:” field in your reply.

Use Short Quotes of Previous Messages in Replies

Please do not quote entire messages just to add a few lines at the beginning or end. Instead, quote the parts to which you are directly replying or quote enough to establish the context.

Everybody on the list has already received the message that you are quoting, and anyone searching the archive will find your message and the previous message listed under the same thread.

Subscribers to the List will just ignore most of the quoted messages and move to the next post, but subscribers to the List Digest will mostly have to page past the quoted messages to reach the next material which they are interested in reading.

Postings Must Be in Plain Text Only

Postings to MarkupDeclaration list must be in plain text only. MarkupDeclaration list does not allow HTML postings because many users cannot display them appropriately, and because they are unnecessarily large.

Attachments Are Banned

Since Mulberry’s mailing lists have in the past been unwittingly used for spreading viruses in email attachments, all email attachments are banned from MarkupDeclaration list.

If you do include an attachment in your MarkupDeclaration list post – even an HTML attachment – your message will bounce. (Note: if your email application automatically creates such attachments, or creates email with a mime type of multipart/alternative your posting to MarkupDeclaration list will bounce. You must persuade your emailer to send plain text only in order to post to this list.)

No “TEST” Messages

Please DO NOT SEND TEST MESSAGES to see if your messages are getting through to this list. Simply wait until you have something substantive to say and send that to see if it goes through or not. By using a real message as your “test” message, you get the same information you would have gotten with a “test”, and you avoid sending clutter to the list subscribers.

Archives of MarkupDeclaration list

Official List Archive

MarkupDeclaration list messages will be archived at

Your Post Will Be Permanently Archived

Because it is a public resource created by and for the entire markup user community, we do not edit MarkupDeclaration list. Therefore, it is the responsibility of list subscribers not to post anything to the list that they do not want publicly available, possibly for a very long time.

Postings in the list archives will be complete, including: all contents, examples, sample data, code or code fragments, and email header and footer contents. An automated process will obscure the domain portion of email addresses (the part after the @ sign) in the headers and footers of postings, but no guarantee is made that this process will be completely successful. Other than this, all postings will be archived in public as received.

Further, we at Mulberry could not, even if we wanted to, edit all of the archives of MarkupDeclaration list. Several third-parties have created unofficial archives of other Mulberry lists, often without asking, or even informing, Mulberry, and we think it likely that they will also archive MarkupDeclaration list. Postings to MarkupDeclaration list will be included in an unknown and ever-changing variety of web publications. If you don’t want your questions/comments/answers in public view, don’t post them to MarkupDeclaration list.

Third-party Archives of MarkupDeclaration list

Third parties are welcome to create searchable or reference archives of MarkupDeclaration list provided they adhere to the following guidelines:

  • The material is clearly labelled as being from MarkupDeclaration list, with an acknowledgement of Mulberry’s role as provider of MarkupDeclaration list.
  • There is a navigable pointer to the official list page at either on every posting or associated with the user interface such that it is visible with the postings.
  • List postings are unedited.
  • Either the entire archive of the list is provided, or there is a clearly stated method for selecting the subset of the list that is provided.

Mulberry does not provide third parties with help to create their archives, does not endorse particular third party archives, and has no control over the ways in which they present the material in their systems.

People or organizations that publish the contents of MarkupDeclaration list without following the guidelines above are being very antisocial. Please bookmark either the official MarkupDeclaration list archive or one provided by a service that plays nicely in the community and shun those who do not give credit where credit is due.

If You Stop Getting MarkupDeclaration list Messages

If you stop receiving MarkupDeclaration list messages, you may have been removed because mail to you was bouncing. You are not being picked on, and you can just rejoin the list.

The moderators of MarkupDeclaration list reserve the right to remove any subscriber they judge to be obstructive, offensive, or destructive to the community process. Such users will, if possible, be advised that their postings are offensive and asked to take a more social tone on the list. If, in the opinion of the moderators, unacceptable posts are repeated, the subscriber will be banned from the list.


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